Saith Rudy “9/11” Giuliani

I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,

That was at a February 18, 2015 dinner for Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker.

We all know what nonsense this is and these words just go to show that Giuliani is damned lucky he was ever elected to any office and the country is damned lucky he made such a lousy, one-note candidate when seeking the Republican Presidential nomination in 2012.

Of course Rudy, the former comb over champion of the Far Right, knows love and knows loving too much but not too well. Just ask ex-wife Donna Hanover, humiliated as Giuliani sought to move his mistress into the official residence of the mayor of Mew York, Gracie Mansion. The problem being, of course, that he was still married to Hanover who was living there.

Then again, such a move should not have been a surprise to Donna since Giuliani’s first marriage had not ended when she and Rudy began dating in 1982.

I normally do not attack a politician’s personal life but I did so in this case to illustrate that Giuliani’s notions of love may not be all they’re cracked up to be.

Nor is his love of America, if indeed that emotion exists within his black heart, He was in Law School as the Vietnam War heated up and he…legally and properly…availed himself of the student deferments he was qualified for during that time. When he graduated in 1968 and began a clerkship for a federal judge he applied for and was granted an occupational deferment.

He is only one of millions of young, draft-eligible men who avoided the draft in the same or similar ways.

But in his speech he seemed to be invoking some extraordinary standard upon Obama that would question his love of country when Giuliani himself had not exhibited his love by eschewing his deferments in order to slog through the muddy rice paddies with those less fortunate or who had enlisted out of a love of country and sense of duty.

But if Rudy believes Obama fails to love America, how exactly does he view the 47 Republican United States Senators who sent an open letter to “the leaders of The Islamic Republic of Iran” in a blatant, unprecedented attempt to derail negotiations aimed at forestalling the creation of nuclear weapons by Iran?


If anyone is manifesting a hatred of their own country it is these forty-seven Senators.

In effect this letter tells Iran,

“We don’t give a shit if you agree to give up your nuclear bomb development under any conditions. We hate your stinking Muslim asses and we really would prefer to bomb you back to the Stone Age. We do not give a shit how effective and enforceable any such agreement may be nor how much it was negotiated in good faith. We promise that as soon as Obama is out of office this agreement will bite the dust.”

I am outraged and you should be, too. These Senators care less about their country than about expressing their hatred of everything President Barack Obama has achieved that benefits the United States of America. That list of accomplishments is extensive and he has some very notable missteps and failures in his ledger.

Who loves ya, America? It sure as hell is not these Representatives of the Republican Party.

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  • C J  On March 9, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    Dave, Thank you for properly stating what many of us feel. The co-signers of the letter to Iran might as well have said “we want a war with Iran”, as soon as possible. I am usually even tempered and level headed when it comes to politics but the outrage has infuriated me. The action was un-American and borders on treason. I think the bastards should be arrested and tried as such. I would like to see the sons of the ones who signed put on the front lines of any conflict that results from their actions.

    • umoc193  On March 10, 2015 at 7:08 PM

      No, their sons shouild not be on the front lines. Why punish them? Put the Senators there, as well as the other war hawks. Graham would look darling in camo.

  • Little_Minx  On March 10, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Interview with one of the seven Republican Senators NOT to sign the latter.

    “Flake: Senate GOP Letter To Iran ‘Not Appropriate'”:

    Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake is one of seven Senate Republicans who did not sign a letter to Iran warning about a nuclear deal with the Obama administration. He speaks with NPR’s Melissa Block.

    Audio for this story from All Things Considered will be available at approximately 7:00 p.m. ET.

    I imagine the transcript will appear online later tonight, or tomorrow.

    P.S. Great to see you, CJ!

    • umoc193  On March 10, 2015 at 7:06 PM

      Flake, from what I’ve seen, is one of the most moderate Republicans in the Senate. I’ve seen him on some news programs and he does not appear to be a nut job. Doesn’t mean we will see eye to eye on most topics, but reasonable discourse is possible.

    • Little_Minx  On March 13, 2015 at 3:52 PM

      Oops, wrong CJ! Sorry for the confusion.

  • Devildog  On March 10, 2015 at 11:06 PM

    The letter was inappropriate and stupid but it will affect a potential agreement not a whit. The only thing it might affect is to make it more difficult to override a veto of an act of Congress rejecting the agreement-though it would be traitorous to vote not to override for that reason. That’s why it was stupid. As for the why of the letter, it would never have happened if Obama had, as he should have, indicated he would submit the proposed agreement to Congress for a vote.

    As for “love”, there are different varieties and different degrees. I guess a “blame America” (always) person can still “rightfully” claim to be in love with America but… Anyway, that statement by Giuliani was also stupid.

    • umoc193  On March 12, 2015 at 2:52 PM

      So here we agree on most substance but differ on motivation. Fair enough.

      However, you seem to be claiming Obama is a “blame America” person as if that is a bad thing. But blaming America when it deserves it is much better than always claiming it is right when that is demonstrably false.

      Then, too, “blaming” America is still preferred to acting against the American people which removing health insurance coverage from millions of Americans would do.

      • Devildog  On March 13, 2015 at 12:23 AM

        The operative word is “always”. Is America a force for good or evil in the world? Are we responsible, because of foreign policy, war, economics, culture, etc., responsible for many/most/all the problems of the world. I don’t think it’s either many, most or all-others disagree.

        We are a force for good!

  • Little_Minx  On March 11, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    For the record, the seven courageous Republican Senators who refused to sign the letter were (in alphabetical order):
    Lamar Alexander, Dan Coats, Thad Cochran, Susan Collins, Bob Corker, Jeff Flake and Lisa Murkowski.

  • Devildog  On March 11, 2015 at 6:44 PM

    That John Kerry testified openly before Congress that the agreement being negotiated would not be legally-binding on the U.S. should end all complaints about “the letter” and the 47 “traitorous” Republican senators-not to mention calling for an apology from those who called the senators traitors. Actually, we should have heard that from the administration earlier and it came out only because of the letter. Thank you “courageous” senators.

    This White House is in total disarray!

    • Little_Minx  On March 11, 2015 at 9:11 PM

      Actually, Kerry testified openly before Congress that the agreement being negotiated WOULD BE be legally binding on the U.S.

      “Kerry tells Republicans: you cannot modify Iran-U.S. nuclear deal”:

      U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told Republicans who control Congress on Wednesday they would not be able to modify any nuclear agreement struck between the United States and Iran.

      Kerry said he responded with “utter disbelief” to an open letter to Iran on Monday signed only by Republican senators that said any deal would only last as long as U.S. President Barack Obama, a Democrat, remains in office.

      “When it says that Congress could actually modify the terms of an agreement at any time is flat wrong,” Kerry, who has been negotiating a deal to rein in Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for easing sanctions, told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. “You don’t have the right to modify an agreement reached executive to executive between leaders of a country”…

      • Devildog  On March 11, 2015 at 9:25 PM

        Thanks Minx for posting the link showing Kerry testifying that the agreement he is negotiating will not be legally binding on the U.S. Imagine telling the Iranians that-traitorous!

        Where did you get the info to assert that Kerry said it would be legally binding? Obviously Congress can’t unilaterally modify it but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China.

        UMOC, where’s your outrage against Kerry? This is truly getting humerous. All the Dems, in total disarray, are doing are crying about, and making much ado about, nothing. What else are they to do!

        • Little_Minx  On March 11, 2015 at 9:42 PM

          No, he’s saying it IS legally binding.

          • Devildog  On March 11, 2015 at 9:51 PM

            Hmmm! Sweet dreams.

    • umoc193  On March 12, 2015 at 3:11 PM

      My humerus is just fine, thank you, though my toe wound is still not healed. That’s a tale for a different time.

      However, few are looking at this the right way, even me to an extent. For proper analysis of the effect of the agreement itself visit this.

      However, to be clear, this is what bothers me about the letter. It indicates a real attempt to act against the interests of this country. Those interests are best served by at least trying to rein in Iran’s nuclear program through agreement, rather than harsher measures. (Of course the nations negotiating with Iran, save for Germany, all have their own nukes, as do Israel, Pakistan and India, none of whom were ever the object of sanctions or punishment for developing them).

      But it is treason or a violation of the Logan Act to do so? Since the Logan Act has never been invoked and we are not at war with Iran, I don’t think either claim is justified. If prosecution under the Logan Act were attempted, I believe the case would be laughed out of court if not the entire law being declared unconstitutional.

      But, even if it is a violation of that law,criminalizing this action would accomplish nothing and itself would appear to be a political act, not one in the defense of the country.

      • Devildog  On March 13, 2015 at 12:16 AM

        Fine! You think an agreement as apparently being now negotiated will be good for this country while others think the opposite. That doesn’t make either you or the opposing side traitors nor does publishing one’s view of the ramifications of the agreement or of how it was entered into make one a traitor. All the Dems seem to be doing lately is cry about protocol, process, etc. Stick to substance Dems!

        What REALLY bothers you about the letter?

        • Little_Minx  On March 13, 2015 at 1:08 AM

          Read the relevant text of the Logan Act, below.

          • Devildog  On March 13, 2015 at 1:17 AM

            No thanks! Tell Holder!

            • Little_Minx  On March 13, 2015 at 3:57 PM

              Heaven forfend one should place facts above emotions!

  • Little_Minx  On March 12, 2015 at 3:39 PM

    Logan Act, in relevant part:

    “Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

  • Little_Minx  On March 13, 2015 at 3:47 PM

    “Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter”:

    The open letter to the leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran signed by 47 senators and instigated by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) was a stunning breach of protocol. One so outrageous that my former colleagues at the New York Daily News dubbed the signers “traitors.” While it is indeed a slap in the face of President Obama and an affront to the presidency, I’m not sure I would go that far, especially since Cotton is an Army veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. So, I turned to retired Major Gen. Paul D. Eaton for perspective. He wouldn’t say Cotton and Co. were “traitors,” either. He had a better word.

    “I would use the word mutinous,” said Eaton, whose long career includes training Iraqi forces from 2003 to 2004. He is now a senior adviser to “I do not believe these senators were trying to sell out America. I do believe they defied the chain of command in what could be construed as an illegal act.” Eaton certainly had stern words for Cotton.

    “What Senator Cotton did is a gross breach of discipline, and especially as a veteran of the Army, he should know better”…

    • Little_Minx  On March 13, 2015 at 3:49 PM


      …But to directly engage a foreign entity, in this way, undermining the strategy and work of our diplomats and our Commander in Chief, strains the very discipline and structure that our foreign relations depend on, to succeed.” The consequences of Cotton’s missive were plainly apparent to Eaton. “The breach of discipline is extremely dangerous, because undermining our diplomatic efforts, at this moment, brings us another step closer to a very costly and perilous war with Iran,” he said.

      “I think Senator Cotton recognizes this, and he simply does not care”…

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